I cannot say enough about how impressed I am with the gentle way they work with dogs. Their methods work and work well. I have never seen either one mistreat a dog or take the heart or bottom end out of a dog.

I consider myself very lucky to know them both as friends and as training resources for fine bird dogs. They have always done an outstanding job with the dogs I have sent to them or in just helping me fix a "hole" when one dog might need a little different method to finish out, as a fine gun dog!